Note to All: Since there are those who like to comment before bothering to read past the headline, not even taking the time to actually read our description of what we go over in this discussion. TO BE CLEAR WE ARE NOT PROMOTING THE GAIN-OF-FUNCTION SUPER PATHOGEN HYPOTHESIS, however, that does not equate to thus outright dismissing biolabs as something to be concerned about. The fact is that there are biolabs and there have been many past crimes committed during war using chemical and biological warfare agents. This discussion focuses mainly on these subjects that have been well documented. We would do well to inform ourselves since whether we like it or not, chemical and biological warfare agents continue to be very relevant in today's world.
Let's start with a definition- is this accurate enough for you? If not let me know what we should add or subtract. It's your basic Wiki entry:
"Biological warfare, also known as germ warfare, is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, insects, and fungi with the intent to kill, harm or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war. Biological weapons (often termed "bio-weapons", "biological threat agents", or "bio-agents") are living organisms or replicating entities (i.e. viruses, which are not universally considered "alive"). Entomological (insect) warfare is a subtype of biological warfare."
Allen, you have three options at this point. Either watch the podcast and share your criticism from the content that is discussed in this podcast or stop commenting on something that you are not bothering to watch and are wasting my time with, or thirdly continue your blind comments and slanders and I will block you from this substack.
As thorough as your research is, you've probably already seen this. But in case you haven't, this journalist did an excellent job of documenting US biolabs all over the world. This article is five years old, but still very timely, and quite thorough. IIRC, this material was presented to the United Nations, but of course it fell on deaf ears. Thank you for every word that you write.
There is no such thing as gain of function labs creating "super pathogens." Just another fear-mongering esoteric theory that reinforces the false idea that there are novel, dangerous pathogens being created by "evil-doers."
These are in large part money laundering operations, they like to steal money from us in numerous ways. Inside the labs the mad scientists are torturing animals and these biolabs are filled with sick animals and cell cultures that show nothing but dead tissue as evidence they are “creating pathogens.” They can make poisons but they can’t make contagions. It doesn’t work like that- what they are claiming is not biological reality.
Legitimizing this bio-lab GoF nonsense is a backdoor way of legitimizing false claims of global pandemics (there are no such things) and offers justification for biosecurity measures.
Allen,nobody said anything about gain of function pathogens. Maybe you should actually watch the discussion which we put a lot of work into including images as well for people to better follow. The fact is that there are biolabs and there have been many past crimes committed during war using chemical and biological warfare. This discussion focuses mainly on these subjects that have been well documented. You would do well to inform yourself if you think there is no such thing as chemical and biological warfare agents or that this is somehow irrelevant in today's world.
I've been mildly back and forth with Matthew on this before as well as the "causal factors" of the decidedly non-pandemic called "Covid-19." He seems to walk away from the discussion when pressed for details.
The fact that there are biolabs means and proves nothing.
Past and present crimes committed during war (and many other times) that have used chemical warfare are well documented.
Past and present crimes that have used "biological warfare" are speculative that have not been proven or documented. You need to distinguish between the two.
Those who want to conflate chemical attacks or other assaults with mythical biological attacks always seem to broaden categories and distort definitions.
It is you (and Matthew et al) who would do well to inform yourself on this matter as you don't seem to be able to make distinctions and are trafficking in fear mongering as relates to "biowarfare."
The last thing we need is more of these esoteric speculations which distract from the very real crimes which were committed throughout 2020-2023 (are still happening).
Unfortunately people go on and on about the dangers of "biowarfare" and NEVER provide examples of exact times, locations, methods of dispersal etc.
Sorry Cynthia, I know it's your substack and something you believe in but you need some humility here and some self reflection.
The bioweapon story is grossly overstated to put it mildly.
Biological warfare is not speculative and you just writing a sentence stating that does not showcase anything. You are not putting forward anything but assertions. Biological warfare has been substantiated in its use against Asians and Cubans (and beyond) by the United States. I have no idea what you have been reading to think there is no reliable evidence to support this. Again this is discussed in our podcast above. You should also familiarise yourself with the work of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb who was very much at the center of this and who's reputation is well known. It is very odd that you at least acknowledge that there is ongoing chemical warfare but appear to discount its relevance in discussing biolabs? The fact is Allen that you have clearly commented before watching our podcast making an accusation against us in which we are not guilty of and do not even discuss, and continue to be completely ignorant of the content in which you continue to criticise us for. However, when this is pointed out to you, you respond that I need to have humility. How about you have some humility and either watch the podcast or get off this page.
Thanks for the response. I have listened to the first twenty minutes of the discussion and have to admit, no offense intended, that this discussion/interview is far worse than I imagined. The number of implied assumptions, logical fallacies and articles of faith is really astounding particularly given your usual intellectual rigor. I will cite them specifically later on.
You also assume that I am not familiar with Gottlieb and the litany of others like Boyle, Latham etc. who have been beating this drum for years. You are wrong. I have been familiar with these people and their work for a long, long time.
This gain of function stuff just promotes the pandemic propaganda that the WHO is using to push to override national sovereignty. It's odd that Russia and China are cool with the current WHO power grab, when we know that the WHO is mostly funded by Western nations and corporate NGO interests (gavi and Bill and Melinda gates foundation).
Here's Sasha Latypova on the topic of gain of function. Her view is that a strong disease wouldn't transmit. The very sick do not travel around spreading the disease.
Matthew and it seems Cynthia, like many others, keep promoting this nonsense and use a series of conflations and "scary" sounding pseudo sci-fi jargon that dupe the readers into thinking GoF experiments represent biological reality.
The bio labs are filled with sick animals and crazy doctors that like to torture animals and cell cultures that show nothing but dead tissue. These labs are there to steal money from us. Yes, they can make poisons but they can’t make contagions. It just doesn’t work like that, no matter how hard they try.
The biolab bogeyman is another wildly exaggerated state-sponsored fabrication invented for financial and industrial “pandemic preparedness” reasons.
You both have not bothered actually watching our discussion. And seem to equate any mention of biolabs with gain of function pathogens which is ridiculous. As I have already mentioned in an above comment, nobody said anything about gain of function pathogens in relation to our discussion on biolabs. Maybe you should actually watch the discussion which is a historical overview going back to WWI in which we put a lot of work into including images as well for people to better follow. The fact is that there are biolabs and there have been many past crimes committed during war using chemical and biological warfare. This discussion focuses mainly on these subjects that have been well documented. You would do well to inform yourself if you think there is no such thing as chemical and biological warfare agents or that this is somehow irrelevant in today's world.
Note to All: Since there are those who like to comment before bothering to read past the headline, not even taking the time to actually read our description of what we go over in this discussion. TO BE CLEAR WE ARE NOT PROMOTING THE GAIN-OF-FUNCTION SUPER PATHOGEN HYPOTHESIS, however, that does not equate to thus outright dismissing biolabs as something to be concerned about. The fact is that there are biolabs and there have been many past crimes committed during war using chemical and biological warfare agents. This discussion focuses mainly on these subjects that have been well documented. We would do well to inform ourselves since whether we like it or not, chemical and biological warfare agents continue to be very relevant in today's world.
Let's start with a definition- is this accurate enough for you? If not let me know what we should add or subtract. It's your basic Wiki entry:
"Biological warfare, also known as germ warfare, is the use of biological toxins or infectious agents such as bacteria, viruses, insects, and fungi with the intent to kill, harm or incapacitate humans, animals or plants as an act of war. Biological weapons (often termed "bio-weapons", "biological threat agents", or "bio-agents") are living organisms or replicating entities (i.e. viruses, which are not universally considered "alive"). Entomological (insect) warfare is a subtype of biological warfare."
Allen, you have three options at this point. Either watch the podcast and share your criticism from the content that is discussed in this podcast or stop commenting on something that you are not bothering to watch and are wasting my time with, or thirdly continue your blind comments and slanders and I will block you from this substack.
As I commented I will deconstruct the interview point by point.
Thanks for sharing again, Cynthia. Jeff
As thorough as your research is, you've probably already seen this. But in case you haven't, this journalist did an excellent job of documenting US biolabs all over the world. This article is five years old, but still very timely, and quite thorough. IIRC, this material was presented to the United Nations, but of course it fell on deaf ears. Thank you for every word that you write.
http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/
Yes, I am familiar with Dilyana's work which we discuss briefly in this podcast. She is truly a force and an inspiration!
There is no such thing as gain of function labs creating "super pathogens." Just another fear-mongering esoteric theory that reinforces the false idea that there are novel, dangerous pathogens being created by "evil-doers."
These are in large part money laundering operations, they like to steal money from us in numerous ways. Inside the labs the mad scientists are torturing animals and these biolabs are filled with sick animals and cell cultures that show nothing but dead tissue as evidence they are “creating pathogens.” They can make poisons but they can’t make contagions. It doesn’t work like that- what they are claiming is not biological reality.
Legitimizing this bio-lab GoF nonsense is a backdoor way of legitimizing false claims of global pandemics (there are no such things) and offers justification for biosecurity measures.
Allen,nobody said anything about gain of function pathogens. Maybe you should actually watch the discussion which we put a lot of work into including images as well for people to better follow. The fact is that there are biolabs and there have been many past crimes committed during war using chemical and biological warfare. This discussion focuses mainly on these subjects that have been well documented. You would do well to inform yourself if you think there is no such thing as chemical and biological warfare agents or that this is somehow irrelevant in today's world.
I've been mildly back and forth with Matthew on this before as well as the "causal factors" of the decidedly non-pandemic called "Covid-19." He seems to walk away from the discussion when pressed for details.
The fact that there are biolabs means and proves nothing.
Past and present crimes committed during war (and many other times) that have used chemical warfare are well documented.
Past and present crimes that have used "biological warfare" are speculative that have not been proven or documented. You need to distinguish between the two.
Those who want to conflate chemical attacks or other assaults with mythical biological attacks always seem to broaden categories and distort definitions.
It is you (and Matthew et al) who would do well to inform yourself on this matter as you don't seem to be able to make distinctions and are trafficking in fear mongering as relates to "biowarfare."
The last thing we need is more of these esoteric speculations which distract from the very real crimes which were committed throughout 2020-2023 (are still happening).
Unfortunately people go on and on about the dangers of "biowarfare" and NEVER provide examples of exact times, locations, methods of dispersal etc.
Sorry Cynthia, I know it's your substack and something you believe in but you need some humility here and some self reflection.
The bioweapon story is grossly overstated to put it mildly.
Biological warfare is not speculative and you just writing a sentence stating that does not showcase anything. You are not putting forward anything but assertions. Biological warfare has been substantiated in its use against Asians and Cubans (and beyond) by the United States. I have no idea what you have been reading to think there is no reliable evidence to support this. Again this is discussed in our podcast above. You should also familiarise yourself with the work of Dr. Sidney Gottlieb who was very much at the center of this and who's reputation is well known. It is very odd that you at least acknowledge that there is ongoing chemical warfare but appear to discount its relevance in discussing biolabs? The fact is Allen that you have clearly commented before watching our podcast making an accusation against us in which we are not guilty of and do not even discuss, and continue to be completely ignorant of the content in which you continue to criticise us for. However, when this is pointed out to you, you respond that I need to have humility. How about you have some humility and either watch the podcast or get off this page.
Hi Cynthia,
Thanks for the response. I have listened to the first twenty minutes of the discussion and have to admit, no offense intended, that this discussion/interview is far worse than I imagined. The number of implied assumptions, logical fallacies and articles of faith is really astounding particularly given your usual intellectual rigor. I will cite them specifically later on.
You also assume that I am not familiar with Gottlieb and the litany of others like Boyle, Latham etc. who have been beating this drum for years. You are wrong. I have been familiar with these people and their work for a long, long time.
This gain of function stuff just promotes the pandemic propaganda that the WHO is using to push to override national sovereignty. It's odd that Russia and China are cool with the current WHO power grab, when we know that the WHO is mostly funded by Western nations and corporate NGO interests (gavi and Bill and Melinda gates foundation).
Here's Sasha Latypova on the topic of gain of function. Her view is that a strong disease wouldn't transmit. The very sick do not travel around spreading the disease.
https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/omg-pfizer-is-mutating-covid
Here's a video on the pseudoscience of bioweapons, calling out the lack of scientific method.
https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/gain-of-function-garbage:c
This is the case.
Matthew and it seems Cynthia, like many others, keep promoting this nonsense and use a series of conflations and "scary" sounding pseudo sci-fi jargon that dupe the readers into thinking GoF experiments represent biological reality.
The bio labs are filled with sick animals and crazy doctors that like to torture animals and cell cultures that show nothing but dead tissue. These labs are there to steal money from us. Yes, they can make poisons but they can’t make contagions. It just doesn’t work like that, no matter how hard they try.
The biolab bogeyman is another wildly exaggerated state-sponsored fabrication invented for financial and industrial “pandemic preparedness” reasons.
You both have not bothered actually watching our discussion. And seem to equate any mention of biolabs with gain of function pathogens which is ridiculous. As I have already mentioned in an above comment, nobody said anything about gain of function pathogens in relation to our discussion on biolabs. Maybe you should actually watch the discussion which is a historical overview going back to WWI in which we put a lot of work into including images as well for people to better follow. The fact is that there are biolabs and there have been many past crimes committed during war using chemical and biological warfare. This discussion focuses mainly on these subjects that have been well documented. You would do well to inform yourself if you think there is no such thing as chemical and biological warfare agents or that this is somehow irrelevant in today's world.
Excellent article. Have you considered writing about the Central Asian post-Soviet republics? Some interesting developments in the last few years.